Who will be the next key witnesses on January 6 after Cassidy Hutchinson


Rep. Adam Kinzinger said new witnesses have come forward to provide evidence to the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack since the damning testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson.

Kinzinger, one of two Republicans on the panel investigating the events leading up to the uprising, told CNN State of the Union that people are coming forward “every day” since Hutchinson testified on June 28.

Among some of the explosive claims in Hutchinson’s testimony were that Donald Trump knew his supporters were armed on Jan. 6, but told them to march to the Capitol anyway, and that he didn’t care if his supporters chanted “hang Mike Pence” during the riot.

Hutchinson also testified that he was told Trump was so furious that he couldn’t join his supporters on Capitol Hill as the insurrection unfolded that he tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential limo then threw himself about a secret service agent who tried to calm him down.

“Every day we get new people who show up and say, ‘Hey, I didn’t think this piece of a story that I knew was important, but now I see how it plays out here,'” Kinzinger said. State of the Union co-host Dana Bash.

When asked by Bash if the committee would be hearing any new witnesses based on the information from the hearings so far, Kinzinger replied, “Yes, there is and will be a lot more information and stay tuned. .”

While Kinzinger didn’t shed light on who the upcoming new witnesses might be, there have already been a few names that might come to light in light of Hutchinson’s testimony.

In this combination image, Pat Cipollone (top left), Cassidy Hutchinson (top right), Virginia Thomas (bottom left) and Anthony Ornato.
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Tony Ornato

Secret Service agent Tony Ornato, Trump’s White House operations chief on Jan. 6, would be willing to testify to challenge Hutchinson’s claims on June 28.

Hutchinson testified that it was Ornato who told him about the apparent incident involving Trump in the presidential vehicle known as ‘The Beast’, including how Trump tried to grab another Secret Service agent by the throat. , Bobby Engel.

“When Mr. Ornato told me the story, he gestured toward his collar bones,” Hutchinson said.

If Ornato officially denies the claims, the Secret Service agent could help undermine Hutchinson’s reliability as a witness. However, Ornato was not reported as being willing to deny some of Hutchinson’s other claims, including how Trump knew his supporters had guns on Jan. 6.

Others have accused Ornato of denying key White House conversations, including Olivia Troye, who served as homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence, and Alyssa Farah Griffin, former White House director of strategic communications.

Ornato has already been interviewed twice by the House Select Committee — once in January and another in March — though it’s unclear if the apparent incident in the presidential SUV was brought up.

“We had interviewed Mr. Ornato several times,” another panelist, Rep. Zoe Lofgren, told The Associated Press. “His memory doesn’t seem as accurate as his. We would certainly welcome them back if they so choose.”

Bobby Engel

Another Secret Service agent who is apparently willing to testify is Engel, who Hutchinson says was the one Trump assaulted in the back of The Beast on Jan. 6.

Reports that Engel is prepared to deny Hutchinson’s allegations emerged immediately after her televised testimony.

Hutchinson said Engel was in the same room when Ornato was discussing the apparent incident involving Trump in the presidential vehicle and that he “did not correct or disagree with any part of the story.”

Engel has previously testified before the January 6 committee behind closed doors, although it does not appear that the apparent incident in the limo was discussed, according to Politico.

In a statement to Newsweeka Secret Service spokesperson said: “Since March 2021, the United States Secret Service has cooperated fully with the Select Committee and we will continue to make individuals with direct knowledge of the conversations and interactions available for testimony. under oath. We await the opportunity to do so.”

Pat Cipollone

Another key line from Hutchinson’s testimony was that White House attorney Pat Cipollone feared allowing Trump to march to the Capitol with his supporters on Jan. 6 would risk criminal charges.

“Mr. Cipollone said something like, ‘please make sure we’re not going to the Capitol, Cassidy, keep in touch with me,'” Hutchinson testified. “We are going to be charged with every crime imaginable if we make this move happen.”

Hutchinson also described how Cipollone warned former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that “people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your fucking hands” unless the insurgency is stopped.

The panel made Cipollone one of its main targets to testify, with panel vice chairwoman Liz Cheney saying during the June 21 hearing that the attorney “tried to do what was right” and to halt Trump’s plans on January 6, and that the former president “does not want Mr. Cipollone” to testify in the live hearings.

Cipollone reportedly spoke about plans within Trump’s inner circle to fire Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and replace him with Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who is said to be willing to support false allegations that the 2020 election was rigged and even sending letters falsely claiming there were some irregularities in key states during the 2020 elections.

The panel has subpoenaed Cipollone to appear on June 29 and he is said to be willing to testify on the record.

Ginny Thomas

Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, is perhaps a more difficult person to testify.

There have been calls for Ginni Thomas to be subpoenaed to testify before the panel following allegations she texted Meadows urging him to stop Joe Biden from becoming president while qualifying the election of 2020 of “biggest robbery in our history”.

She also reportedly emailed a number of Arizona GOP lawmakers asking them to try to overturn the election results, saying it was their “constitutional duty” to install a ” own list of voters” who would be willing to falsely declare Trump the winner in 2020.

Ginni Thomas has so far turned down calls to voluntarily speak to the panel. Her attorney, Mark Paoletta, said she doesn’t believe it’s necessary for her to speak to the committee, The New York Times reported.




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