After Trump urged him to oust Mueller a second time in a phone call, McGahn said he was not feeling well.
“After I hung up on the phone with the president, how did I feel?” Phew. Frustrated, disturbed, trapped, ”he told the congressional panel of investigators. “A lot of emotions.”
“I felt trapped because the president had had the same conversation with me over and over, and I thought I had expressed my point of view and offered my advice, and we were still having the same conversation,” he added. “And I thought to myself that at some point he would want to have this conversation again. And, at this point, I wasn’t sure exactly how – how to navigate this one, so I felt like I was trapped.
Rep. Jerry Nadler, the committee chair who has claimed McGahn’s testimony for years, released a statement describing the testimony as revealing.
“All in all, Mr. McGahn’s testimony gives us a new look at how dangerous President Trump has brought us, in Mr. McGahn’s words, to the ‘point of no return’,” the Democrat said. from New York.
The hearing was difficult at times as Democrats pressured McGahn over the events of four years earlier. McGahn appeared to dodge some questions – such as his reaction to the actions taken by the former president – or, in some cases, said he did not understand the question. For example, McGahn said he did not have a “precise recollection” of certain conversations with Trump and others and referred to his previous testimony.
“I hope you’re not suggesting that I’m not answering honestly,” McGahn told committee staff when told about her memories of her previous testimony.
Yet the former White House council has drawn up several damning accounts of Trump’s actions early in his presidency, including when Trump learned that a special council had been appointed to investigate his campaign’s links with Russia.
Trump’s reaction then, according to McGahn, had been to lean back in his chair and say, “This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I’m screwed “- an exchange that was also included in Mueller’s initial report.
McGahn also confirmed that Trump subsequently complained to him about potential “conflicts” Mueller would have as special advisor – potentially involving golf membership dues – and urged McGahn himself to look into it. the question.
McGahn claimed he told Trump he wouldn’t take any further action by calling Rosenstein and neither should Trump to avoid a bad outlook :. “
McGahn said he also found it “worrying” that Trump suggested that then Attorney General Jeff Sessions resign because he recused himself from overseeing the investigation.
“Because the Attorney General is the law enforcement official at the Cabinet level and confirmed by the United States Senate, this is not an unimportant moment,” McGahn said when asked. questions about his concern. “It’s not the kind of thing that happens every day … They don’t teach you that in law school.”